In part two of this powerful conversation, Pastor Nathan Brown continues his discussion with John Blue, a former NHL player turned church planter who has planted three churches and helped establish over 30 others across Southern California. Recorded live at the Forge Men's Conference, this episode tackles the harsh realities of ministry and spiritual warfare that every Christian needs to understand.

The conversation opens with Nathan sharing the one and only time he heard God's audible voice - a moment that directly involved John and would change both their ministries forever. From there, John shares candidly about the crushing trials that came with church planting: starting with just 17 people in a Jewish synagogue, navigating staff moral failures, losing his house in 2011, losing a church he had planted, and watching his children struggle through teen pregnancy and addiction.

What You'll Discover:

✅ How God uses past failures and rejections to prepare us for future calling

✅ Why the question "Is Jesus enough?" changed everything for John and his wife

✅ The principle of "higher levels, higher devils" in spiritual growth

✅ How to discern whether you're in the center of God's will (and why it matters)

✅ The difference between fighting WITH your family versus fighting FOR them

✅ Why casual Christianity never experiences the fullness of God's revelation

✅ What it means that "the waves are coming" and how to prepare

Featured Scripture Study:

📖 Romans 8:28 - How God uses all things for good in the lives of those who love Him

📖 Nehemiah's call - Fighting for your sons, daughters, wives, and homes

📖 The Rich Young Ruler - Why letting go is prerequisite to following Jesus

John's transparency about ministry struggles offers hope to anyone facing trials. His reminder that "you only lose if you quit" and the biblical truth that "though the righteous fall seven times, they rise again" provides practical encouragement for perseverance. The episode concludes with a powerful discussion about how men are created to fight, but often fight against the very people they should be fighting for.

Whether you're in ministry, struggling with family challenges, or simply trying to follow Jesus in a hostile culture, this conversation provides biblical wisdom and practical insights for standing firm when everything seems to be falling apart.

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